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Grosse Pointe Farms Blames DTE for Heavily Flooded Basements

Many residents reported being up all night and professional clean-up crews lined the streets early Saturday. Many residents received a hand delivered letter from the city of Grosse Pointe Farms related to the flooding. A meeting is set for Thursday.

 

For at least the second time in a matter of months, residents in the heart of Grosse Pointe Farms are dealing with flooded basements. The flooding began late Friday and cotinued into early Saturday, keeping many people up overnight. 

Professional water removal trucks lined the streets and driveways on McMillan, Moran, McKinley, Kerby and many other streets early Saturday. 

This afternoon a letter hand delivered to residents states the pumping station was "knocked offline for several minutes Friday" due to "several DTE power bumps." The letter also says the lack of power to the pumping station contributed to much of the flooding in basements. 

The reason offered is exactly what city officials said in May when severe flooding was reported in May following what city officials described as a 100-year storm. At that time, residents were reassured that a repeat performance was unlikely because power outages are rare at the pumping station, which has three sources of power that act as backups when one or even two go out unexpectedly. 

According to chatter on Facebook and Twitter and among neighbors in the affected areas, the flooding is far worse this time as compared to May. Many homes that avoided it in May are dealing with clean up today.

The city has scheduled an informational hearing for Thursday Sept. 15 at the Grosse Pointe War Memorial where the city engineer will present details about the situation and residents may ask questions.

The circumstances of the pump station going offline are being investigated by the city and more information will be available by the time of the meeting, according to the letter. 

Residents were also given tips about how to clean areas affected by the flooding, noting that the area is served by a combined storm and sewage sanitary system. 

According to the letter, the area most affected is from Mack Avenue to Ridge Road and Moross to the city line. 

Many residents that filed claims with the city's insurance carrier following the May flooding are still waiting to hear about their claim. It's likely another round of claims will be filed. 

Related Topics: Basements, DTE Power Outages, Flooding, Grosse Pointe Farms, Offline, Pump Station, and Sewage

Tommy

7:28 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

The City Official's in Grosse Ponte Farms are beginning to sound like Barack Obama. It's George Bush fault. The blame game is the new buzzword for politicians. Shows no leadership ability at all. Remember them ALL when it comes time to VOTE ! ! !

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Elizabeth M. Vogel

9:48 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Someone need sto be fired. This is gross incompetence. The voters will deal with the elected oficials.

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Char Adams

11:14 am on Monday, September 12, 2011

I agree: it's always some one else's fault. The City Manager should be fired. This ultimately is "his" fault. It's his responsibility to make sure that this did not happen again. His lack of leadership is appalling. They are either trying to save money somehow by not running the pumps or not paying for a backup plan. The city kicked Kroger out by refusing to renogitate its lease. They basically threw $100,000 a year away when they did this.Now they have a money problem. Somehow I don't see the Univeristy of Michigan Stadium going dark during a football game: they would have a backup emergency plan in place so that all the lights stayed on!!

gpfresident

7:43 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

We were already denied any compensation by the city for the May "100 year storm". Now it seems we've had 2 "100 year storms" in 4 months. Quit blaming mother nature and DTE..step up and fix the problem GPF!! You are losing all credibility with the people that should matter the most..your residents. Why isn't GPC, GPP, GPW, GPS, or other neighboring cities experiencing this? You are making mistakes and need to own them. Hope to hear why pumps 7 and 8 were never turned on during the storm at the meeting Thursday night!!!..I'm sure the excuses will be flowing like the water in my basement.

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Elizabeth M. Vogel

7:45 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Today was a tough day. We lost a lot of belongings. Fortunately we keep most important treasures in plastic bins & off the floor in the basement, but lugging out 50+ garbage bags was probably more mentally and spiritually draining than any sort of muscle ache. Mostly, it was senseless waste. And for the few personal items that were lost--old photos, primarly, i just took one really good look before i said goodbye.

Grosse Pointe Farms, we have a back-up generator that kicks in as soon as the power goes out. Why don't you? Have we learned nothing from this unpredictable summer season?

It is now almost 8pm, and our basement is still wet. And I know that all of my Farms neighbors are probably too busy still cleaning their basements to bother to comment.

To Farms residents out of town.... I am speechless.

Regards,
Elizabeth Vogel
Grosse Pointe Farms

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Brian Haberstroh

9:02 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Are basements than have been waterproofed and have sump pumps even being flooded?

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FarmsResident

9:35 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Fair question Brian but the water came from the floor drains. This has nothing to do with waterproofing or sump pumps. Helpless to prevent it. All we could do is watch ...zero to stop it.

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Brian Haberstroh

9:49 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

So, even if you had a sump you would just be pumping water out of your basement in to pipes that would immediately return it to your basement.

Gross.

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Annemarie Rogers

10:32 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

A neighboring house with a sump pump was completely dry, while every other house on the street had a mountain of trash on the curb.

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Brian Haberstroh

12:14 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Annemarie,

That is interesting. I don't understand how every house in that area isn't waterproofed. I would think that would at least minimize water damage no matter where it came from.

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Sara Lolar

12:35 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

I thought about a sump pump. But doesn't that just push water right back into the sewer that is pouring water into your basement? I think that's what Brian was saying. Also, I don't understand how "waterproofing" would help in this situation...The water is pouring in from the *sewers*, not from standing water or the foundation.

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LG

9:17 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Our basement is both waterproofed (although, this came in thru the drains) AND we had a sump pump with back up pump. The hours of heavy rain were no match and burned out both the main and back up pump motors. The water simply had no where to go and was almost to our porch. We were lucky in May - but we had to replace both pumps and a water heater so far with 6 inches of water in our basement! Extremely furious with GPF city right now.

Sara Lolar

10:29 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Nice post Elizabeth. We thought we had also learned our lesson from the last flood. We put most belongings in bins and other items up on blocks and dollies. This time, the water was so high that the bins dumped over into the flood water and it was over the block/dollies. It's like a groundhog day nightmare of flooding.

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New resident

11:21 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

Sara do you know how high the water got in your basement? The water in mine had drained by 5am when I discovered the huge mess. It looks like it was about 8-10 inches though.

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Sara Lolar

7:11 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

Hi new resident. Our got up to 8-9 inches. It was 8inches when I gave up and tried to go to bed.

New resident

11:18 pm on Saturday, September 10, 2011

I moved to GPF 11 days ago. This is beyond not acceptable. I had not had a chance to get everything put away and I had photos, old family movies, and many other things destroyed. Yes I realize they needed to be elevated but come on. This happens in June and the residents appear to only be getting lip service. Had not expected my first interaction with the city would be filing a claim for their gross negligence. Bottom line: the city was aware there is a problem and did not fix it. Make me whole!

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Michael Leonhard

4:01 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

There was a story on Fox 2 News that said the news channel contacted DTE and their records show no loss of power or any type of power bump that would have caused the pumps to go down. Wonder who is telling the truth....GPF or DTE?

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joelle gallagher

8:39 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Make sure someone invites a DTE representative to your meeting on Thurday.

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Julie Lattimore

9:52 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Sorry to hear this flooding happened again, it should not have. The management in G.P.Farms is way worse than any of you realize. I've spent a lot of time there in the past three years, digging through files, we have a huge mess on our hands!

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Char Adams

1:03 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

The management there needs to go. A lot of them have been in those jobs for a very very long time and have become complacent, comfortable and out-of-touch or simply not as informed as they sould be.

Diz

10:51 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Our taxes helped pay for the sewer separation project, but we're the ones getting flooded...again.

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John Remillet

11:34 am on Sunday, September 11, 2011

What does a "power bump" have to do with flooding when the Kerby station has a huge generator on board that I have heard doing automatic testing every weekend. Wasn't that device designed to keep the power going? Is this the problematic site, Kerby Rd.

John R.
GPC

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Chris Kauffold

3:43 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

So I guess every time it rains, I should be nervous because of the inability of this city to handle it's business? If people with only TWO digits in their address complained, would that get some action?

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suzanne

4:02 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

According to an article from the Grosse Pointe Times on June 23, 2011, four outfalls into the lake, which had served the inland district, were bulk-headed after the sewer separation in 1999. The remaining three outfalls for the lakeside district remain open. That is why the inland district floods and the lakeside district doesn't. Something stinks at the pumping station and at City Hall.

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Diz

4:58 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

My point exactly. We helped pay to prevent the lakeside district from flooding yet those of us that live in the inland district received zero benefit from it. We still flood...they don't.

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Joan Whitman

3:00 pm on Sunday, September 18, 2011

I agree with suzanne.. based on the four outfalls into the lake which served the inland district, having been bulk-headed after the sewer separation in 1999.. leaving the three remaining outfalls for the lakeside district open.. therefore, flooding the inland addresses and not flooding the lakeside addresses.. says to me "something does stink at the pumping station and at City Hall." I also agree with Kris.. if our addresses were two digits (lakeside district) would we have had the proper attention which would have avoided all three floods?

suzanne

4:15 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

The lakeside district has storm and sewer separation and overflows to the lake. The inland district has neither.

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Tobias Roberts

6:03 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

I love how the city planned their meeting at the same time and same day as Back to School Night at Richard knowing how involved most parents are with their kids. Classy move City of GPF!

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Chris Kauffold

6:14 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

I heard somebody say something that, after thinking about it, might make sense. When a severe storm is occurring, if you place an extension (probably only a foot or two) into your drain (it has to seal tight) , the added height should prevent leakage. Will this actually work?

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Julie Lattimore

6:37 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

NO! Storm drainage and sewage are very different. I'm so mad ! It did not happen to my house, but it could have. We should all show up on Thursday. I don't think our G.P.F. City manager planned it on a "Back to School Night" on purpose, either. His kids don't go to Richard, but I would not plan on him, either way.

Jill Kraemer

7:48 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

We have a heavy duty sub pump and remained dry. We purchased it after the last flood. Figured we should be prepared and responsible for our home. Also removed items off of basement floor that were valuable,

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Susan Shenkosky Vogel

12:08 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011

We were not affected by the flood in May, but still have taken corrective measures over the years; water proofed all four outside walls, replaced the sewer line from the house to the street, have the vast majority of our belongings on shelving units 12" off of the ground and other heavier things on cinder blocks. All of this precauction and in 24 years on Fisher Road we have never had a back up. But hundreds and hundreds of gallons of water were no match for other things we stored in our basement...some of which tipped over in the fast current caused as the water receeded. I am sure that you are not insinuating that those of us without sump pumps are negligent in our responsibilities to our home. Sump pumps that are retrofitted to older homes can only pump back into the storm sewer ...if that system is not functioning then nothing will stop the inevitable. Let's face it...we were lucky in May and you were lucky this time. We both have neighbors who were unlucky both times and that is the real tragedy. None of this is acceptable and we need to work together to correct it for the future of our city as a whole - who will want to live here? It is 12:05am on Tuesday, and we still have 10 super fans and 1 very large dehumidifier running non stop (thank you ServePro)...the last insult will be the DTE bill for September.

LG

9:14 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

We had a sump pump AND a back up pump and both blew out when the water level was almost up to our porch. Burned out both motors since the water had no where to go. We were lucky in May - but this time ended up with 6 inches in the basement. And now our water heater is not working. The repair $$$ just keeps adding up!

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Sara Lolar

9:58 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

This may be silly, but did you check the pilot? I only mention this because we thought it was broken, too, until my brother-in-law checked the pilot.
I feel your pain with the flood. This is round 2 for us. Sorry you had to go through it.

LG

10:22 pm on Sunday, September 11, 2011

Thanks Sara. We did try and reignite the pilot with no luck. We are not getting any spark. We are getting final confirmation tomorrow morning. We would think it was from it being too wet, but it worked all of Saturday. From what we can tell, the water damaged the inside of it from standing in water too long. Sorry to hear this is round two for you. :( just awful.

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FarmsResident

8:03 am on Monday, September 12, 2011

Where are you discharging the sump pump water? Drywell? Or to the street? We don't have sumps, not required as our property is above the water plain. Plus I highly doubt a sump pump would have/could handle the amount of water we had. Can't refinish the basement again....that would insane, so now I lose living space. Can't sell it...who would buy it? Frustrated and stressed out.

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Sara Lolar

11:39 am on Monday, September 12, 2011

Just spoke with my insurance agent. If we file another claim on our homeowners, the premium will got up 600% next renewal! More than the actual coverage for sewer back-up. So thanks, GPF, looks like I get to eat the complete cost of the flood this time. (And, BTW, this holds true for the next 3 years.)

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david barthel

12:13 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

How does a sump pump take care of raw sewage that comes through floor drains? I don't understand. we had two feet of water for the second time since May. Brand new walls, carpet, toys etc all gone in a flash. The water was in the basement for less than an hour. As soon as the pumps turned back on, the water was sucked back out, leaving devastation behind. I am beyond upset. I love GPF, love having my family here, but I will not accept an "apology" on orange letter head.

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Sara Lolar

4:35 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

Don't leave, Dave! We won't like any new neighbors, only you.

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Susan Shenkosky Vogel

11:52 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

Funny our "letter" was on green paper (so eco friendly) and was hand delivered by teenagers wearing Life Guard t-shirts. I also heard that some of our neighbors tried to speak at tonight's council meeting but were shushed away by our mayor...he feels that talking about this incompetence wasn't appropriate at a council meeting. Really??? The words won't be any easier for our elected officials to hear on Thursday. How dare city officials treat the people they are sworn to serve by shushing up concerned citizens in a public forum? What kind of leadership is this?

Carlos A. Padilla

3:08 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

I also love how the city of Grosse Pointe Farms hasnt picked up any of our garbage yet, our street of McMillan is absolutely filthy and smells beyond anything ive experienced. You are really doing well GPF...

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Elizabeth M. Vogel

3:38 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

Carlos, a special garbage pick-up came down Fisher Road (between Beaupre & Chalfonte) at 2pm. Let us hope they are on their way to you.

Char Adams

3:41 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

There is a Council Meeting tonight, 9/12/11 @ 7:00 p.m. The only way these people are going to get the message, and that includes the council, is either via lawsuit, if that is possible, or in the voting booth. Honestly, I think while we're cleaing out our basements, we should also be thinking about "cleaning house" on Kerby Road.

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Carlos A. Padilla

4:16 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

The garbage pickup has arrived for McMillan residents. 16:16 , about time!

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steve harthorn

11:32 pm on Monday, September 12, 2011

Gotta love the letter..a little bleach and Pinesol. What about the project a few years ago when they redid the storm sewers? Any truth to the rumor that the sewer line diameter size was reduced? Any reduction in diameter would severely limit flow and cause these kind of backups. We watched the water go down in the basement fast. Doubt a pump would have that effect...

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Pete Welch

11:37 am on Tuesday, September 13, 2011

I think we need to take a look at the city charter - all council members are "at large" at this time, meaning they probably don't live in our neighborhoods that were affected. We got very lucky this time, but last time I had 27 high power fans and 3 large dehumidifiers in my basement for 3 days. Power bill was $200 higher than normal!

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Mary Jo French

8:24 pm on Friday, September 16, 2011

Flooding
by Mary Jo Ellwood French on Friday, September 16, 2011 at 7:43pm
OK folks--just have to speak up. Sick and tired of water in your basement? ME TOO! 20 years ago this happened and it was drain back up. Called GPF and was told too bad. "It was a 100 year rain". It rained in May 2011. Drained backed up again. Just prior to that the city sewer "whatever" cleaner went down my street. Rains came - storm sewer backed up. Had my sewer drain cleaned. July-4 consecutive days of rain. 7 inches the first day. I measured. September- again, only worse.Flooded each day. We were told "it was a hundred year rain. Excuse me, Grosse Pointe Farms check your math. Now you tell us you don't know what happened! And it is our fault! Here is a thought. Millions of tax dollars spent on sewer separation up in "Heavenly Heights". 0 tax dollars to address the flooding problems down in "Yucka Flats" below Ridge. My instincts tell me that you were aware 20 years ago that we had an antiquated system and ignored it. When do the tax payers who helped pay for the sewer separation above Ridge get equal attention! OUR FAULT, GIVE ME A BREAK!
Li

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Char Adams

8:37 pm on Friday, September 16, 2011

Maybe we should be thinking about a recall of our officials. My co-workers and friends watched TV this morning concerning the coverage of the meeting last night and no one was impressed with our elected officials or our City Manager. They laughed when I told them the city only had a $100,000 policy. Everyone in the ballroom laughed last night when they heard this. What a joke -- on us, of course.

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Jo Tucker

8:05 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Wow! Just found this site and read each post......I'm so sorry to hear what all of you have been through...just doesn't seem right...I have been looking for a home there but now rethinking my decision.......I'm too old to fight 8" - 12" of water....Glad I found this site but so disappointed in the city and for all you who had to endure such a mess. I guess I will stay where I'm at...sigh

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