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Michigan government officials and residents took to Twitter and Facebook to react to the news that Wisconsin's Paul Ryan was Mitt Romney's vice presidential nominee.
Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential contender, appeared with his running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, for the first time in Virginia on Saturday morning.
Michigan Patch used Storify to capture reaction from Michigan politicians and residents to the news of Ryan's selection as Romney's vice presidential candidate.
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11:20 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Where does Ryan stand on the two social issues —marriage and abortion?
1. Marriage – In 2006, Ryan supported the effort to amend Wisconsin’s constitution to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. This is significant because the amendment excluded civil unions as well. In other words, Ryan is on the record opposing both gay marriage and any other arrangement that would confer marriage-like benefits to gay couples. Paul Ryan has voted to ban same-sex marriage and adoption by gay couples, and he voted against repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" ban on gays serving openly in the military.
2. Abortion – The National Right to Life Committee gives Ryan a 100% voting record on life issues. In 2010, he wrote that “The Cause of Life Can’t Be Severed from the Cause of Freedom.” Has a 100 percent voting record with the National Right to Life Committee. Voted against allowing embryonic stem cell research. Voted against the transportation of minors across state lines for abortions.
Question: Why has the Grand Old Party... the Party of Lincoln that freed the slaves -- has become the Party of judgment of others -- and continues to ignore "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
7:42 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
1. Good, marriage "is" defined as one man and one women. Hopefully we can get a congress and senate in place to make this the law of the land.
2. End abortion, stop killing babies. Enough said.
Regarding the tax cuts, Heres an idea lets get congress to STOP SPENDING our money. Tax cuts don't cost anything. We need to cut the usless programs which people claim they can't live without. Here's a novel idea; how about the 47% who pay nothing except the tax on thier booze and cigarets pay their fair share.
1:19 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Robert, I know it would be impossible to change your mind... and I do respect your straightforwardness...here are a couple of quotes to ponder.
Libertarian perspectives on abortion "A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body... There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave... a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb."
Libertarian perspectives on marriage "Any government involvement in marriage violates the separation of church and state because marriage is a set of religious ceremonies and regulations. Churches, as private associations, have complete ability to define the requirements for marriage, and any consenting adults should be free to take part in any such ceremonies they wish. If those individuals enter into a contract to define their marriage, then the government must enforce the laws binding that contract. The government has no legitimate reason to recognize marriages or civil unions with any benefits or taxpayer money. But until these benefits are phased out, the government must not restrict which consenting individuals take part in those benefits."
9:22 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Regarding your perspectives on what Libertarians perspecitves are, are just that.
Many of us are delighted with the choice of Paul Ryan, many of us are disgusted that abortion is still used as a means of birth control. Many of us are tired of welfare with no work requirements. Many of us are tired of the bad economy and we don't continue to blame George Bush. Many of us are upset that more people per month are getting approved for Social Security disability payments than are finding jobs.
Obama is going to get creamed this november 6th. He has always had the black vote but with his approval of gay marriage, many religious blacks will stay home and not vote.He has upset Catholics big time ( don't need to explain that one) and will not carry their majority this time. He has upset soccer Mom's because they are worried about feeding their family and having their husbands keep their jobs along with no pay raises for the past 4 years. He has upset Hispanics who are Catholic and against gay marriage. And he has upset Jew's with his obvious anti Israel views.
10:30 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Scot, your coments are just weird.
1:45 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Robert... I'd rather be weird than live on the edge of ternary or creating a one note authoritarian society. The Far Right-Christian-Conservative has hijacked the GOP and the GOP will lose this election. Robert I'll give you weird -- ponder this statement -- Robert the disagreement I have with you is how much time either one of us are going to spend in purgatory. Some advice... get off the creepy Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin bandwagon. God does not like people who judge others... LGBT should be allowed all the same rights including marriage -- and women don't need government telling them what they can and can not do with their bodies.
SCOOBYDOO... "Obama is going to get creamed this November 6th. He has always had the black vote but with his approval of gay marriage, many religious blacks will stay home and not vote." Not true the "black vote" will bite their tongue -- hold their nose and vote Obama -- and many in the GOP will do the same and vote for Mitt Romney's Far Right-Christian-Conservative ticket... but there are more Democrats than Republicans. Whats disturbing -- down right fighting is how many votes Obama will buy... this election.
America's Ever Expanding Welfare Empire -- by Peter Ferrara, Forbes Magazine
1:55 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I'm an marketing guy -- I have worked for about every major Advertising Agency in town -- the GOP myopic social agenda the alienates independent voters will kill any GOP chance this election taking back the White House.
SCOOBYDOO note: U.S. Political Party Identification of Jews 2012 -- More than two in three Jews, 68%, either identify as Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party. 28% of Jews are either Republican or lean Republican, and 4% are independents with no partisan leanings. Again -- they will bite their tongue -- hold their nose and vote Obama.
Scot, i am a Christian, not a Catholic, so am saved by the blood of Christ and do not bow down to made places such as purgatory. Regarding your highjacked statement; what's wrong with morals and honest living? Abortion is death, killing, the ending of anothers life. My God tells me that there is a time for death, consider war and execution of convicted criminals. But where does your god say its ok to kill a baby? Someone found not guilty of amy crime. And by the way gays do have the same rights as we do. I have no more right to marry another man sthan they do. What they want is "special rights", above those which every other citizen has. One more thing to add Soctt, dosn't tolerance include Christian views? You socialist tend to forgoet that one.
2:09 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Scot, forgot this one. Why is is ok for the government to tell me what i have to do with my money, but not ok for them to tell people what to do with their sexlives and bodies?
6:51 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Robert, thanks for your response -- I was having fun with the purgatory comment -- you could be in big trouble you're only left with two options. Question, Catholics are not Christians -- where did you learn that -- FOXnews. Now that you have brought up Jesus Christ, I feel obligated to defend his principles. As you get to know me, your going to find out I'm a real stickler for facts.
New Testament: Jesus Christ did not denounce or promote homosexual behavior. The only place Jesus really addressed or even hinted at sexuality is found in Mathew chapter 19:11-12 Jesus replied "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." A eunuch is a man who has no desire or ability to have sexual relations with a woman. Jesus addressed three types of eunuchs. -- 1) Those born that way. --That's people who are born homosexual. -- 2) Those made that way by men. -- Those castrated or those sexually abused people who choose to be homosexual as a result of this abuse rather than because it is their natural sexual affinity.-- 3) Those who elect not to have a sexual relationship for the sake of the kingdom. -- For example a priest or nun. This group makes the decision on their own. -- to be continued...
6:53 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
-- So here, Jesus states that not everyone will marry according to the custom as male and female. He also said that not everyone can accept this. He says that those that can accept it should accept it. Robert can we accept what Jesus said? I can.
Old Testament: Genesis the story of "Lot's House" has been misinterpreted into teachings that God denounces homosexual behavior. Not true the story refers to homosexual rape. It clearly doesn't have the remotest connection to same-gender love or relationships. Or Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. If man lies with a male as with woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death." Again this is not God's denouncing homosexual behavior... but related to the worship of Ishtar the pagan goddess of love and fertility. It was a condemnation of such practices... pagan rituals such as mandated sex between males or temple prostitution... that this Levitical law was written. It certinaly does not make any reference to same-gender sex within the context of a committed and loving relationship.
So Robert -- a friendly suggestion learn the teaching of Jesus Christ from the Bible and not from the Sean Hannity show on FOXnews. P.S. "gays do have the same rights as we do" your quote, Robert they don't -- please in the future try not to minimize their lives.
7:10 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Robert, "You're socialist tend to forget that one." your quote, Love your name calling -- first weird and now I'm a socialist -- I'll except weird -- but a socialist... please read my biography in the Rochester Patch http://rochester.patch.com/users/scot-beaton
Robert, have you ever taken the time to read Rick Santorum book -- If elected president of the United States, he would have done everything he could have to turn this country into a -- twisted version of a middle age Christianity theocracy -- like Islamic Republic of Iran, Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Robert is this really what you want America to become? Did I ever say "god says it's ok to kill a baby" -- NO -- but to reverse women's rights in the country would be wrong! -- that's why it's called Pro-choice.
Robert, I don't know what government tells me what I can and can not do with my money -- except 'Obamacare' -- I make money and pay a taxes just like everyone else. And please spare me you're not serious why would want to live in a country that would regulate what you can and cannot do in your bedroom.
10:26 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
"I'm an marketing guy"
Some of us speak as if we are smarter than everyone else, but ? Have a nice day !
10:46 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Please quit playing "make believe" , you fool no one my friend and make yourself look foolish. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 make no mention of Ishtar and those two verses are very clear in what they state. As well, the name "Ishtar" is not in the Bible so what is your point besides trying to defend yourself. Does not matter if the gay relationship was loving or not, it is condemned in the Bible, period.
10:47 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
SCOOBYDOO... you're going to get me on a typo -- that's all you have?
"I'm an marketing guy" -- I'll stand corrected I'm a marketing guy. P.S. as a kid I grew up with a handicap called dyslexia -- actually stated drawing before speaking -- what is pretty cool though is Einstein had it too. SCOOBYDOO, you do prove a point the only bullets you have in an intelligent discussion is to name call and bully. Have a nice day too.
10:59 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
SCOOBYDOO, As you also get to know me, your going to find out I'm a real stickler for facts. When you have time read the link. A Few Myths and Simple Facts Regarding the Bible & Same-Gender Relationships. By Mark Elias http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm
P.S. If you don't like that one I'll send you a hundred more.
11:29 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Actually Scot I looked you up earlier and have been trying to figure you out. Your clearly some sort of gay activist. I can see this for your record of contributions. Does your wife Patricia know this? Your resister as a republican, but have no rational or moral conviction. You claim to know the Bible, but clearly worship a god of your own making; one that does not find disgust with a man who lays with another man, and one who's ok with murder so long as its an innocent child. Not much more to say Scot Beaton. I certainly would never hire your ad agency for a marketing event. But I'm sure there are enough degenerates out there to keep you busy.
11:33 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Robert: If you support this principle then you support equal rights for all -- including LGBT rights and the rights of women. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend but there are married heterosexual couples that support LGBT rights. She also supports LGBT rights. Advertising clients don't know don't care what their sexual preference is. I did register as a Republican years back to run a race against Tom McMillin for state house. I had the endorsement of all the major papers, The Republican Liberty Caucus and the former State Representative -- lost the race because Tom is brilliant at riling up the far-right-wing vote in the Republican party -- if I'm still on a 'list' that is the choosing of the Republican Party.
1:48 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Scot, why would you think I do not care about rights for women? I've said absolutely nothing about taking rights away from women. If you’re referring to my staunch anti-abortion views then you’re mis-guided. It’s not about a women’s right to chose, it’s about life or death. Simply put would a man have the right to end a pregnancy because he doesn’t want to pay for the child? Should I as a tax payer have the right to end a pregnancy because I do not want to pay tax money towards social welfare programs to support single mothers? Certainly not. So why should a mother who made a “choice” to have sex, either out of wedlock or without protection, and ended up pregnant have the right to kill her child?
Regarding my personal views on homosexuals, it’s just that, my view. You seem to be hard set that I accept your view. Why can’t you accept my views? In essence you’re saying that my view is wrong and yours is correct. How can you justify such a position? Historically if a person wanted to participate in homosexual activities they kept it to themselves. Just like heterosexuals. You tell me I have no tolerance, but they’re (and you) are trying to force me and the rest of society to accept their practices. I do not and as a free citizen of the United States do not have to. Remember that a person’s rights end the point they infringe upon another. So stop trying to push your agenda on me. I’m not trying to push mine on you.
2:41 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Of course you're entitled to your opinion. I'm trying to keep the focus on the GOP.
The GOP now stands for a constitutional amendment that proclaimers marriage is only between a man and a woman. That's wrong -- goes against separation of church and state and discriminates against LGBT rights. This kind of bombastic platform position will cause the GOP millions of votes!
The Pro-Life Movement -- Robert I've been on the inside -- if you want their endorsement which also comes with a big political campaign check -- you have to sign off on this -- even in cases of rape and incest, even if she is only 11 years old -- they want a federal law that would mandate that girl have that baby -- Robert do you support that too? This kind of bombastic platform position will also cause the GOP millions of votes! Gotta make ads over and out -- thanks for your time.
2:58 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Scot, lame argument; only an extremely small percent, about 4 per state annually are rape pregnancies. There are no sound figures noting underage rape pregnancies. I’m sure you’ll find a handful of sites from the Kill-the-babies group, which tout huge numbers of rape pregnancies of underage girls. To answer your question; There is still no justification for killing an innocent child. Rape is a terrible thing which victimizes women in a very personal manner. So how does killing a child which was conceived out of such a terrible event solve the matter? Does it un-do the rape? Is it a blood match? God places challenges on all of us, some easy, some incredibly difficult. Is He wrong?
And if our congress puts forth an amendment to make marriage between a man and a women, then so be it. You can vote out who you don’t like. That is unless Obama has his way, then you simply had to march to the beat of his czars.
3:07 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
FYI - tie-in to stem cell topic. http://rochester.patch.com/articles/stem-cell-research-conference-at-ou-will-be-open-to-the-public
3:18 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Scott, I read your comment about Jews who vote Democratic , of which I am proudly NOT ONE OF THEM. If, they had a brain, they would prioritize their issues and determine that the current administration has a great loathing for Israel (just look at the faces O makes around Bibi). They would understand that abortion should not be their number 1 issue, but rather the safety of this great nation, which translates to the safety of their children and grandchildren. They would understand that our only Democratic friend in the middle east...Israel, which CANNOT be divided in anyway, sahpe or form. They would understand that even the likes of FDR was no friend to Jews when he turned the St. Louis around and 1,000 Jews back to the gas chambers of eastern Europe. They would remember Jimmy Carther and F**K the Jews James Bakker. But, they do not. So, I would say that the Democratic Jews are just a bunch of fools once again, hell bent on destruction of their own kind. They demonize the jihadists who send their young to martyrdom, while they will send their own young to annihilation through their failure to recognize the dangers in this world.
Thankfully, this stupidity is not 100% genetic, although appeasement at the risk of one's own death appears to be a part of 75% of my MOT.
12:05 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
First of all, First term abortion is NOT about life or death, it is about a group of cells that CAN NOT LIVE outside of it's habit (same idea as a parasite although zygotes ARE NOT parasites). SECOND: If it is best for MY health, MY family, or what is best for the UNBORN zygote to have an abortion THEN I WILL. THAT is why it is called a CHOICE. Because the ZYGOTE CAN NOT CHOOSE. And third, NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE MEDICAL DECISIONS FOR ME EXCEPT FOR ME. So why the hell should the GOVERNMENT have the right to tell me what to do for MY HEALTH???? Fourth, SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE exists for a reason and those lines have been blurred for too many years. If a church does not want to marry gays, then don't marry them but the government has no reason to deny them marriage! And religious views regarding abortion, if you think abortion is murder then DO NOT GET AN ABORTION.
11:30 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Here we go again....just rip him apart...there is quite a difference "believes" and "judgement"....you seems to like the latter...
2:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I agree, there is a very large and important difference between believing and judgement. The problem becomes when that belief in a law maker seeks to govern the lives of those who are not conforming with the beliefs of that law maker. That is the essential question here.
Are the questions posed in his beliefs, and his actions in law making, abridging the rights of other Americans who do not hold similar beliefs?
In such is the case, then one surely has the right and the obligation to speak against that lawmaker. One can believe in something for themselves without imposing that belief on other citizens. When one seeks to impose that belief as law on others who do not hold the same belief, and moreover when it is based on religion, then we have a serious problem. I say this as a life long Republican.
Specific religion has no place in American politics. We have become a quasi-religious party and it has, in my opinion, spawned an acceptance of intolerance which is contrary to the Constitution and the well being of the party. We must believe in the ability of people to make right decisions for themselves and keep government out of the most personal and private decisions of people's lives - even when we disagree with those decisions.
3:07 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Laura Jones... thanks for your comment
Our Constitution deliberately omitted any mention of God in order to assign supreme governmental power to "We the People." Thus, they opposed the doctrine of the "Divine Right of Kings," which had enabled monarchs to wield absolute power in the name of God for centuries. It is imperative that the Founding Fathers' precious gift of church-state separation be cherished and upheld. This principle has given Americans more religious freedom than is possessed by any other people. And it has enabled the U.S. to avoid the types of bloody religious conflicts that fill the pages of history and are still seen in many parts of the world.
To elect those who continue to bully and demonized the personal views of others will continue to fuel the hatred that just took place in Wisconsin. Laura, P.S. I'm not a fan of either political party -- what's confusing is I thought the GOP was all about keeping government out of peoples lives?
12:12 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Facebook post by veteran politics consultant/pollster Steve Mitchell of West Bloomfield:
"The selection of Paul Ryan will provide a clear contrast between the GOP and the Democrats. Young, energetic, bright, a conservative reformer with Midwest values. The battle begins in earnest!"
7:57 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
midwest values? More like Somalia and the Salem witch trials all rolled into one. There isn't anything about Ryan, Romney, conservatives, or the Republican Party as it is currently constructed that reflects American values - anywhere. America used to wage war on poverty - not poor people. We cared about our neighbors, put our money where our mouth was, pitched in, and fought for what was right and moral - not profitable. Greed is not good, and the Republican Party is more like Somalia and the Salem witch trials rolled into one.
10:05 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
um... no. His are not midwest values, He has stated on tape that Ayn Rand was his greatest influence and the reason he got into politics, which he now falsely denies. Ayn Rand declared that selfishness was the ultimate virtue. That is not a midwestern value. She believed Jesus Christ was the most evil influence in western culture. That is not a midwestern value. She brought her lovers into her own house with her husband living there. That is not a midwestern value.
Yes, Paul Ryan reinforces the clear contrast in this election. He represents the fawning dedication to the most cruel wealthy Americans (not all wealthy people) at the expense of the rest of us. He represents the idea of abandoning the least among us to serve the interests of the rich. His policies directly conflict with the Christian values we have followed for 80 years. Christ said we are judged by how we treat the least among us. He taught us that you can't serve Mammon (wealth and greed) and God. He taught us to love our neighbors and our enemies. He did not give believers the right to impose their beliefs on others but taught us to allow others to live their lives as you are allowed live yours.They talk about Judeo Christian values, but they support policies that directly contradict those values. They want to impose thing on people Jesus never mentioned, abortion and homosexuality, and ignore completely the core lessons He taught.
8:50 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
The GOP has been taken over by hypocrites and welfare queens who hate everyone but themselves.
"Here’s what fiscal fraud Paul Ryan (R-WI) said about Social Security in his State of the Union rebuttal. "This is a future in which we will transform our social safety net into a hammock, which lulls able-bodied people into lives of complacency and dependency." Turns out, when Ryan was an able-bodied young lad, he used that hammock to pay for his college education. (h/t FDL) http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-fanboy-paul-ryan-used-social-security-hammock-to-put-himself-through-college/#
Able-bodied Ryan mooched off of Social Security, and Robme won't release his taxes because he didn't pay any. GOP - hypocrites and cheats. If 30 years of tax cuts created jobs - where are they?
12:18 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
the big O said he was hope and change.......well now it is more like he is the Dope and I am stuck with just change.....no budget, just bailouts and more money for the non working free loader's.........now they don't even have to look like they are looking for work......that will go over big in the big D....
3:04 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Yeah, that's always a persuasive political discussion point: Call the other guy a dope and make a provocative claim without factual basis, such as "more money for the nonworking freeloaders."
Keep it classy. The campaign runs another 13 weeks -- lots of time for made-up stuff and presidential name-calling.
7:58 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
One thing about Republicans, they never let reality get in their way.
10:21 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Yup, Ryan wants to cut the VA budget by 25%, those "non working free loader's" don't deserve a dime I guess. How dare they demand support for sacrificing for their country. Ayn Rand would be so proud of her follower Ryan, she taught Paul any service to others was insanity and anyone doing it a fool undeserving of support. Like 'Hope is coming," Paul is so self satisfied he can render judgement on anyone with less tahn him, unfortunately so will he be judged eventually.
12:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Joe Biden must be crapping his pants!
2:48 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Probably with excitement. he can debate someone with NO foreign policy experience and who has for 99 percent of his working career made his living in government or as a hack for Jack Kemp. At least Sarah Palin had some foreign policy experience, she lived next door to Russia. Thank you Mitt for this early Christmas gift.
I too will be excited to see the VP debate. Ryan too intense and cerebral for ole' Joe.
When Ryan starts talking fiscal policies of the current administration, Biden will be lost in the crowd.
9:25 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Look forward to Joey Biden debating Paul Ryan, it is going to be painful to watch for those on the left.
1:05 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Aesop in Plymouth - Well now the American public has a choice between a clear path to prosperity or government handouts that kill the golden goose! What bothers me that after two generations of indoctrination by the N.E.A. (ie: National Extortion Assoc.).
that the voting public, (legal and illegal), will more than likely choose the latter. We can only hope there are more voters with intellect rather than base instincts!
1:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Well, I think the voters will not go for the guy who wants to end Social Security and Medicare as we know it. Plus, Ryan is an Ayn Rand nut.
7:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Mich. voter, so the pyramid scam also known as SS is such a great system it should never be altered? Who are you kidding. Its a waste of money with terrible returns. It needs to be fixed. Ryan has a plan, but the libs don't like it because it suggestes that they give up a bit of their money grab.
8:29 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Whoa there. Not many people like it at all, on either side. The Ryan plan has some gaping holes in it for seniors. In no real way can vouchers provide seniors with even remotely the level of health care they need. It will not be possible for many of them to afford supplemental coverage either. The broken state of the system, when looking at the numbers, is also not quite as dire as stated by my party, It does need reform, but there are many other reasonable ways to go before the Ryan Plan in enacted and the system corrupted for good.
8:54 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Robert - IF you think SS is a scam, lets talk about the banks, Goldman Sachs, and 30 years of tax cuts for billionaires and business. After 30 years of trickle down and deregulation, we ought to be rolling in jobs. Where are they? One thing about you conservatives, you never let reality or the facts get in your way.
10:40 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Oakland, i'd say that everyone feels that Goldmans Sacks is not good for the economic system, but their reign spans noth democrates and republicans. No party specific to blame on that one. Regarding trickle down economics; this works great and has given us unemployment rates down to 3% which is considered full employment. It considers that a portion of the popoulation will not get a job regardless of job availability. Tax breaks for billionairs; i hardley so so. I'm in the top 2-3% because i put myself there. Funny how no one showed to help me when i worked my way through my undergrad, or my masters. No one helped me buy my first house and constructed all the improvemnets so i could sell it for a profit. No one works 70 hours a week or conducts all of my business travel today. And certainly no poor people have ever created a job. Opps, i forgot they do create government jobs by putting more demand on resources therefore creating the need for more "handout" workers paid for by tax payers.
1:51 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
2:06 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul Ryan, great choice !
2:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I think Paul Ryan is a killer for the ticket. Game-set-match to the Democrats. There are simply too many clear issues of fact that create problems (not the rhetoric of which I am sick to death. If one more person spouts off about illegal voters being a problem or welfare queens, I will begin handing out stupid buttons). Ryan's issues are ones of veracity: Ayn Rand is / is not required reading, his budget was / was not blessed by the Catholic Church. There are issues with economics for seniors; vouchers for senior health care will not improve senior care but only offer profit opportunities to insurance companies who will now use a portion of that health care money for profit, not for health care. It is no reasonable solution. Ryan lacks a plan that is realistic.
The economic facts are that taxes must go up and revenue must be raised to pay for wars fought without sacrifice by the majority of people. Further, while revenue is raised, spending in areas must likewise be cut. No one is willing to speak the truth that all the economists know - taxes will be increased. We will have no real discussion of where, or chance to vote for people with plans, because no one will put one forward. Just not impressed.
To be honest, both sides do but I am not a Democrat so I don't care if they lie. I care if we do.
3:25 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
what a disappointment, more "white bread" added to the ticket, were there no women or minorities qualified enough Mitt, you obviously can't think outside the box......
5:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Sorry you did not learn the lesson Dr. King tried to teach us. Why does the color of someones skin still matter to you?
7:46 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Bob grambo, I find your comments rascist
9:29 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
More "white bread" Bob ! Nice, very nice. The fact that the african american community votes 93% for other african americans tells us what exactly ?
12:34 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why does he have to pick someone of color or a woman?? Rascist is an understatement....
3:34 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
It seems to me that lack of racism is not noticing "white bread" or "chocolate milk", but noticing the content of peoples' character, as a noted wise man once said.
It also seems Paul Ryan was a bold choice. It makes me more interested in voting for Romney, to be honest.
7:51 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Amen Laura, but keep in mind that those who think the other way only pretend not to look at a persons sex and color. They in fact use these factors as their only reason to vote for someone. Almost forgot, they tend to place a lot of credibility on sexual identification as well. But charactor, conviction, morals, responsible, and any shred of decentcy, not a chance.
3:48 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
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5:17 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul Ryan is a wolf in Tea Party clothing. I have no issues with his positions on reforming the various entitlement anchors, but he voted for TARP, the auto bailout, stimulus 1 and 2, NCLB, raising the debt ceiling, Medicare Part D....the list goes on and on. It's understandable that the chattering class liberals aren't attracted to him, but I don't understand the TEA Party's enthusiasm at all. He's a Tea-o-con.
8:07 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Chattering class - omg. Listen to yourself. bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive. This means you have neighbors who have jobs, which apparently breaks your heart. Farm subsidies, oil subsidies, wars, bombs, jails, and tax cuts are just fine, but they better not give food to your neighbor or help her kid go to college. Mean spirited and nasty - not my idea of America.
5:28 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul Ryan,a voice of reason! Happy with Mitt's choice!
7:21 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I can't stop laughing. Hoekstra, RobMe and Ryan all in a row. F or people who hate government, they sure keep begging for those “gummint” jobs they keep complaining about. I can't wait for them to tell the retirement age boomers that they want to go to Washington to collect government checks, health care, pension s, slush funds, and kick backs - while they destroy the boomers’ Social Security and Medicare, AND increase defense. LOL, guess they plan to be the only socialists left.
Dumb and dumber, crazy and crazier – what a gift. I can see the boomers now as they streak past the women, gays, blacks and Hispanics all running screaming into the arms of the Democratic Party, When Rmoney's the best of the bunch, you know the GOP is in BIG trouble. ROFLMAO.....
Golly g Dorthy, i guess i've been so wrong all of these years. I do need Obama to live my life for me and make all of my choices. That way i too can sit around doing nothing, not saving for my retirement, and simply complain when my government check is not enough. Good luck Dorthy, your foolish decisions have gotten us to the incredibly wonderfull economic picture we have today. Oh, but i keep forgetting its a jobless recovery. Anyway it must still be Bush's fault. Not the past 3+ years of obama, or the past 5+ years of a liberal senate.
9:39 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
What's your favorite flavor Dorothy , grape ?
8:11 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
No, it isn't Bush's fault. It's the fault of Reagan and Clinton. They're the ones that pushed banking deregulation and NAFTA. What is Bush's fault is the mindless tax cuts for billionaires and two eternal and unnecessary wars fought off the budget and on the credit card. Liberal Senate - what a joke. The GOP has filibustered everything. According to your logic, your whackadoodle House has been there for two year so they must be equally as responsible.
I love it when you and ScoobyDoo freak out. Means you have no facts, but then, that's never been a problem for conservatives.
7:33 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You can always tell when the liberals are scared. They attack good men and women with no justification ceaslessly. Ryan is a good choice.
8:33 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
On the grand scheme of things, who really cares about race issues, abortion issues or gay marriage issues anyway? All the politicians (Republicans AND Democrats alike) play a shell game with those topics to keep our collective eyes off the real problems facing this country- debts, deficits and out-of-control spending. A $16 trillion dollar national debt growing 10% per year is what is going to turn this country into Greece and Spain within only a few years and then it will be too late. Of all the phony politicians on both sides of the aisle there are only a handful that seem to stand the ground on principles to reign in the National Debt crisis and Paul Ryan is in that elite group. So he gets my vote... and yes I know he is far from perfect as his voting record is not pristine when it comes to cutting back programs... but of the choices he is the best alternative on either slate that will change this country for the better. Lets give the guy a chance!
9:40 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Well said Sarah !
3:08 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Yes, I agree with you Sarah. I am tired of the social issues that will NEVER get consensus on, I'd rather focus on the economy, which is Ryan's key issue. I need to find out more of his ideas on that but if he is for "changing Medicare as we know it" I am all for that. As someone who has been handling an elderly parent's medical care in a nursing home for a few years, it is a system in need of reform, too much going on in Medicare that is legal but is an abuse. I can't square away for example a psych nurse having a 3 minute conversation with me in a hallway, and charging Medicare a $150 consultation fee. Or an 80-year being recommended to have a fully paid by Medicare diagnostic colonoscopy without any other symptoms, or being given unproductive costly physical therapy sessions, again covered by Medicare. So many times I've heard, don't worry about it, Medicare will fully cover it, instead of is it medically necessary? Medicare is being used as a cash cow by various providers, and there seems to be no oversight or motivation to not have this occur. This in a country where people cannot afford to have basic health care insurance is unconscionable.
Well, off the soapbox, but this independent voter will give serious consideration to the Romney-Ryan ticket, if they stay away from social issues and focus on the economy and health care reform, including Medicare. I also like that Ryan is an experienced legislator, open to compromise.
8:24 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Here you go cookiepro2.
Washington Post: "Paul Ryan's phony reputation as a deficit cutter ought to be the main target of Democratic attacks writes Matt Miller. Instead of letting him get away with calling himself fiscal conservative, he ought to be blasted for first presenting a plan that would add $60 trillion to the national debt, then tweaking it into a plan that would add $14 trillion, neither of which would ever bring the national budget into balance."
Salon: Andrew Leonard laments the Obama administration's raising the white flag by not prosecuting Goldman-Sachs at the same time Wall Street is shifting its campaign contributions from 75 percent Democratic in 2008 to 70 percent Republican in 2012:
Unfortunately, what seems clearly obvious to the normal person does not appear to translate into a slam-dunk court case, in the judgment of Department of Justice prosecutors faced with the daunting prospect of tackling the best-money-can-buy legal defense sure to be marshaled by Goldman. There’s surely a nugget of truth there — Wall Street did a very effective job in the 80s and 90s of ensuring that the rules governing their behavior were as lax as possible. But it still feels pusillanimous. And the cowardice completes a circle — because one of the key reasons why Goldman’s campaign contributions are now flowing to Romney is his promise to repeal the Obama administration’s primary effort to prevent future financial sector misbehavior — Dodd-Frank."
8:40 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
And no I am not a tea partyist.. nor right-wing or left wing. Those labels again are just more pieces of the shell game used by either side to mask real problems and get us to take sides. My only side is the side of keeping America from turning into a third-world country and that will only happen if we start balancing the country budgets like we manage our own.
8:48 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I saw a great t-shirt the other day which read:
Why is everyone concerned with Romney's income and how he spends his money while no one seems to be concerned about how Obama spends my money.
Party views aside, the cute slogan speaks volumes on how politicians try to spin issues of irrelevance to overshadow what is really at stake.
10:01 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You should know...
Ryan's father’s death provided him with Social Security benefits until his 18th birthday, which he used to pay for his education at Miami University of Ohio. http://www.wpri.org/WIInterest/Vol19No2/Schneider19.2.html
Ryan said that "The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand",
9:44 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
So what Greg, what is your point. Paul's fathers death may have left his family with no income if his mother did not work. This is what SS is all about. His dad paid into it and nothing illegal was done. On the other hand we have literally millions of people hiring lawyers to get them signed up for SS disability when they are able bodied and should be working. I have an ex family member doing just that, was turned down a number of times, hired a lawyer that specializes in getting folks signed up for SS disability.
9:23 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
ScoobyDoo: The point is that Ryan wants to abolish Social Security and Medicare's life line - now that he's done using it to rescue his behind. The hypocrisy and double standard of Ryan "suckling on the teat" of his "government handout", and you have "hooray for me, and the hell with you". What's good for his goose, isn't good for your goose! They deserve everything they have and more, and you don't deserve anything.
Your slacker relative is anecdotal. There are fraudulent claims for SSDI just as there are fraudulent payments to war profiteers. Perhaps you would like to abolish the military too? It is certainly one way to assure cheating contractors never get a penny of your money again. Go ahead. Throw the baby out with the bath water.
8:56 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ayn Rand exemplifies the kind of people they are. Hooray for me, the hell with everyone else. They're enough to make jesus weep.
9:49 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Just reading the comments from the fringe LEFT here and on other news sites it abundantly clear they fear Romney-Ryan.
Just the facts: Paul Ryan have been elected 7 times in a congressional district that leans democratic and is comprised of manufacturing urban areas and farms. Many are union members who vote for Ryan who wins in landslides that continue to grow since his first 57% victory in 1998.
Just the facts: While Obama was beating McCain by 4% in Ryan's district, Ryan was reelected with 65% of the vote. That means 1 in 5 "hope and change" voters also voted for Ryan.
Just the facts: Ryan's constiuents are Reagan democrats and they support him overwhelmingly.
Just the facts: Ryan is smart and an intellectual. In two face to face encounters with Obama, Ryan sent him reeling to the corner with logic and facts. Obama could only counter with emotional banter. Ryan exposed Obama as a mental midget.
Paul Ryan will solidying Reagan democrats and Catholics for the Romney-Ryan ticket.
This is a brilliant strategic move by Romney hence the demonizing scorched earth response by a desperate LEFT that sees their hold on power slipping away.
1:48 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Just the fats: Just a great post with the kind of facts that scare the left wingnuts. Now we will be taking about real policies and not deflection issues which is so much of whats left of Obamas campaign.
1:58 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Picture this vision for the VP Debate: Paul Ryan with a laser pointer, and Joe Biden running all over the stage trying to catch the red dot... ;)
2:04 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Bryan, thanks for the laugh!
3:59 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Liberalism will always be about saying whatever is necessary to get the job. Conservatism will always be about doing whatever is necessary to get the job done. I choose deeds over words. Union workers will benefit more from a strong economy than strong unions! VOTE CONSERVATIVE!
5:25 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Hey thanks for confirming that Mitt Romney isn't really a conservative--he's spent his entire political career saying whatever he thought the audience wanted to hear at that moment. The guy has more flip-flops than every beach in Florida. Hope you have a good gag reflex, Mr. Munson, you'll need it when voting for Romney. And if you think your vote for Ryan will influence Romney, notice how Mitt has already distanced himself from Ryan's economic plans.
8:27 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Wiley Coyote, lets take a moment to revied what BO has done for us. Exploded our debt, even beyond what Bush did. Doubled down on Afganistan, Closed Gitmo, oh sorry no, balanced the budget, haven't had time for that, gone over the budget line by line to reduce waste and curb spending, oh yeah, no time for that, hmm lets see what else, transformed the tone in Washington, yeah he did do that, made it more polarized then ever. Forgot to mention the whole health care thing is in campaign, but it was so important to him that it was the first thing he tackled. I am not saying the conservatives are any better, but I sure wish you liberals would wake up and realize you got taken to the cleaners. But you won't cause you can't believe that you voted for a guy who is going to destroy the country my dad spent 4 1/2 years in the army in WWII defending.
4:03 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Finally, Republicans have an Ayn Rand disciple at the top of the ticket whose not afraid to tell the country that "I've got mine " so to hell with all you lazy parasites living off my success. Give me another tax cut and let the bottom feeders fend for themselves.
11:58 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
That's an appropriate pseudonym Wiley. Chasing birds will continue to cause anvils to fall on your own head, but you enjoy your kool-aid. MEEP-MEEP!
10:00 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
What does any of what you or DJ there wrote have to do with Romney's "conservative" credentials?
Kool-Aid. Funny. My eyes are more wide open than yours, I'm afraid. You'll support anyone with an (R) by their name, regardless of principles, I'm sure. And in Romney's case, he clearly has none; witness his changing positions on gun control, abortion as just two examples of how he publicly shifts for whatever audience he hopes to court. And DJ, my dad spent years in World War 2 in combat. He never for a minute bought into the Republican party once they (you) began the southern strategy of courting one-issue voters who voted based on their hatred of desegregation and a woman's right to choose whether to have children or not.
The country has not been destroyed, although I might argue George W. Bush did more than enough to put this nation on the road to ruin with his foreign-funded wars, not to mention being the first president in US history to invade another country without provocation. And as someone who will not be covered by health insurance if I lose my job or when I retire, the ACA looks pretty good to me.
3:48 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
The Catholic Church rebuked Ryan in March 2012 for his plan to cut trillions from food stamps, Medicare, Social Security, and education, while giving trillions in tax breaks to the wealthy. In an embarrassing slap-down, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops denounced Ryan’s budget, saying it “fails to meet” the essential moral mandate of Catholicism: to help what Jesus called “the least of these”—the poor, the hungry, the homeless, the jobless. A group of 90 Jesuit scholars and Georgetown faculty joined the bishops in protest, telling Ryan that his budget “appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.” The Jesuits pointed out that Ryan's budget provides a convenient cover for Ryan’s true moral inspiration—Ayn Rand, the “libertarian philosopher-queen” whose book "Atlas Shrugged" Ryan has said he gives to all his interns. Ayn Rand believed that compassion was morally wrong, and despised the poor as leeches who weakened society. But unlike Paul Ryan, Thomas Aquinas, the Catholic saint. once said, “Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need.” There go those Socialist Saints again!
8:13 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
First of all, when you say "The Catholic Church" it implies you are speaking of the Vatican, which in this case is completely incorrect. The Vatican has not spoken out against Ryan's budget, but they have spoken out time and time again about the sin of abortion.
Anybody who claims to be a Catholic and votes for Obama is simply lying to themselves.
9:35 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Too many people are willing to believe Ried's line that Romney has not paid any taxes for the past 10 years.
If he had taxable income as defined in the tax code and evaded paying any taxes, then the fault lies with the IRS who failed to audit a "wealthy person" and prosecute him for tax evasion..
However, if he had income but his CPA's and tax adviser's found LEGAL ways within the tax code to avoid all taxes, then they earned their fees. As, I believe, a Supreme Court Justice once said about taxes:-avoidance is legal, evasion is illegal. If there were such legal ways within the tax code, then a Congress put them there.
Another explanation is that he did pay taxes but at a lower rate than most because of the varying rates within the tax code-put in there by past Congresses- for different types of income.
The last and probably best explanation is that Reid is lying and is protected against a lawsuit for libel in that he said it on the Senate Floor and is constitutionally protected. Does Reid have the proof of tax evasion and is so sure of his facts that he is willing to make his charge out where he is not so protected. Until he does that, I am forced believe he is not telling the truth.
11:42 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
1. Is this the Scot Beaton dialogues?
2. Lets set a limit for any one persons rants.
3. As for the VP pick; instead of reaching out to the left or even center, he reached out to the right. But the guy he picked is smart and articulate so he will bring some fight and perhaps even a real dialogue to the contest, instead of the usual yada yada. We will see if this works or not.
1:59 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Dennis T... I apology for all the ink* -- but when one personally attacks you and your clients -- and even is crass enough to attack your wife -- this leaves me little choice but to blog back.
GOP made poor choices both President and VP -- which is too bad this election should have been a no-brainer. Social issues are only the tip of the iceberg -- Romany no matter how hard he tries will come off looking like the 1% -- op-ed piece 'Let GM Fail' -- sent the wrong message in the Midwest; and the opposition will distort Ryan's view of health care for seniors.
*ink is newspaper slang for too many words.
Scot, you attacked my God, everything else is fair game. But stick to the piont; take a look at your first post. You attack conservatives from the start, claiming that they have become the party of judgement. Who are you kidding you wouldn't be happy with any actual conservative because they might say something which offends your social groups simply by speaking the truth.
2:51 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Robert... I'll let the Bible speak for itself -- all it did was quote it. Gotta make ads over and out -- thanks for your time.
3:47 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
You too Scot, thanks for the sparring. By the way, I redact my comment against using your ad agency if I had the need.
4:17 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Robert... No leave it in would mess up the flow-- we both know it's never personal -- the emotion of one's opinion only proves we're human. I enjoyed the debate too -- thanks for your time
SCOOBYDOO another typo meant cost not cause the GOP millions of votes!
8:23 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Scot Beaton said : "Robert--I'll let the Bible speak for itself, all I did was quote it. "
Yeah Scot , you did but then you call specific verses from the Bible myths by quoting some website called opendoorcenter. Sorry Scot, you are a fake. I don't need you trying to interpret scripture with spin you want to put on in. Have a good day.
9:24 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Sooo, you studied theology where? Scoobydoo? pray tell, what exactly was your thesis for you doctorates in Divinity studies? Which university did you attend while earning your doctoral degree in Divinity studies? Did you get your Masters at a seminary? before engaging in your doctoral studies?
No insults, just answer the questions please.
10:27 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Understanding what is in the Bible and what is not in the Bible does not require a doctorate does it Lianne ? But being a production worker at a small sporting goods supplier makes one smarter than everyone else does it. Just answer the question please. Good Day
12:05 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
SCOOBYDOO... WOW you're forgiven for your rudeness... name calling... belittling someone's employment... I really hope you are not what has become of my father's Republican Party.
Homosexuality and the Bible by Walter Wink -- Professor of Biblical Interpretation, Auburn Theological Seminary, New York City.
Sexual issues are tearing our churches apart today as never before. The issue of homosexuality threatens to fracture whole denominations, as the issue of slavery did one hundred and fifty years ago. We naturally turn to the Bible for guidance and find ourselves mired in interpretive quicksand. Is the Bible able to speak to our confusion on this issue?
The debate over homosexuality is a remarkable opportunity, because it raises in an especially acute way how we interpret the Bible, not in this case only, but in numerous others as well. The real issue here, then, is not simply homosexuality, but how Scripture informs our lives today.
Some passages that have been advanced as pertinant to the issue of homosexuality are, in fact, irrelevant. One is the attempted gang rape in Sodom (Gen. 19: 1-29). That was a case of ostensibly heterosexual males intent on humiliating strangers by treating them "like women," thus demasculinizing them.
to be continued...
12:06 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
(This is also the case in a similar account in Judges 19-21.) Their brutal behavior has nothing to do with the problem of whether genuine love expressed between consenting persons of the same sex is legitimate or not. Likewise, Deuteronomy 23:17-18 must be pruned from the list, since it most likely refers to a heterosexual prostitute involved in Canaanite fertility rites that have infiltrated Jewish worship; the King James Version inaccurately labeled him a "sodomite."
Several other texts are ambiguous. It is not clear whether I Corinthians 6:9 and I Timothy 1:10 refer to the "passive" and "active" partners in homosexual relationships, or to homosexual and heterosexual male prostitutes. In short, it is unclear whether the issue is homosexuality alone, or promiscuity and "sex-for-hire."
continued at http://www.bridges-across.org/ba/winkhombib.htm
11:44 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
@scoobydoo, is that code for Jesus? Since you like to get on the Patch and pontificate about morals and the Bible, I just wanted to be sure you had SOME bases for being such a expert on theology and the Bible, since you did not care to persue those studies, or answer my question. I will just have to assume you are some crank that hides behind a false name and doesn't stand by his morals, as you are too embarrassed to let the world know who you really are. Sorry, I don't like lectures on morality by people named scoobydoo, a cartoon.
8:30 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
ScoobyDoo and all:
Annnnnd - that's why we have separation of church and state! 'Nuff said -
12:21 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
If we had complete separation of church and state, marriage would be a church institution, not anything for the state to be involved in.
1:38 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
So you think that only religious people get married? Really? It's just not so. Marriage is a social development as well as, for some cultures, a religious one. Many people get married in civil ceremonies, not religious ones.
2:56 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I'm saying that Marriage is an institution created by God.
A "marriage" without God at the center is not a marriage.
12:34 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Scot Beaton, this IS what has become of your fathers republican party. It is simple to see other wise why would republicans vote NO on hundreds of things they used to be for? And republicans can't tell me Democrats are the party of spending. Do some reading about the Farm Bill.
3:54 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Marriage was not created by God, it was a concept created by men and women. History is filled with examples of cultures that practiced the basic concept of marriage that had no knowledge of the God we worship--the ancient Egyptians, Chinese and Greeks for instance.
And people get married by Judges, ship's captains, you name it, every day. And they're legal. So give it up.
8:07 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Legal marriages are not the same as an actual marriage.
Everything good was created by God.
8:44 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
A couple of points:
Whether Ryan's mother worked or not is irrelevant. He would receive some support until 18 because his father paid into the program. Believe me, it's not enough to feed and shelter or educate a young boy.
Ann Rand wrote some fabulous books. I enjoyed reading them. I just didn't forget that they are fiction.
Robert, you rely too much on spell check. Frequently use the wrong word. I'm not talking typos here. It affects your credibility. By the way, "I'm Christian, not Catholic". Really. Whatever happened to "Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, you do for me". Or "Judge not, lest ye be judged",
Marriage occurs between two hearts. The law doesn't enter into it. Societal conveniences is all legal marriage provides.
The religious right doesn't hold the copyright on the bible. You don't need a divinity degree to study the bible. As I have said before, if Christ himself heard the drivel that comes out of the religious right, he would be disgusted with how his teachings have been perverted to satisfy a group of small minded people.
In addition, my favorite quote "Going to church on Sunday doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a Chevy."
3:13 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Don't think your going to like reading this...
Romney Lost the American Jewish Vote by Picking Paul Ryan
by Peter Beinart Aug 14, 2012 4:45 AM EDT
"When it comes to health care, Jews are also big fans of government spending. According “Jewish Distinctiveness in America,” a detailed 2005 study for the AJC, Jews were more supportive than any other religious group of government health-care spending and more supportive than any ethnic or racial group except African-Americans."
3:14 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
"Another driver of the Jewish vote is fear of the Christian right. Although the percentage of American Jews who cite abortion or separation of church and state as their top voting issue is low—a combined 7 percent, according to the AJC poll—those Jews who do care about cultural issues lean massively to the left. According to the 2005 “Jewish distinctiveness,” study, Jews are the most pro-choice ethnic or religious group in America, by far. Almost 80 percent of American Jews think it’s fine for a woman to have an abortion for any reason, which is close to twice the percentage for Americans as a whole. Jews are also the religious and ethnic group most supportive of giving birth control to teenagers and most hostile to school prayer. And this cultural liberalism produces deep hostility to the Christian right. According to a 2012 study by the Public Religion Research Institute, American Jews feel almost twice as sympathetic to American Muslims as they do to the Christian right." more at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/14/romney-lost-the-american-jewish-vote-by-picking-paul-ryan.html
by Peter Beinart
10:52 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
The logic Robert has used wouldn't pass a 9th grade logic test. Your opposition to gay marriage seeks to deny others the right you enjoy, to marry the person you choose. Supporters of marriage equality are defending the rights of Americans to enjoy "equal protection of the law," as guaranteed by the Constitution. You are not being discriminated against because others can have the rights you enjoy, but you discriminate when your beliefs support discriminatory laws. One day this controversy will be seen as unfair as the laws against inter-racial marriage are seen now.
8:22 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I appreciate all the different perspectives. Liberals (now we're supposed to call them progressives because liberal was too mean) want to spend money we do NOT have. I'd love to give social programs a 20% raise every year but oops, I forgot. . . NO ONE has any money because all the liberals. . . I mean progressives. . . keep spending WAY more than we actually have. I love the argument they use, "how crude, you're going to take money away from the poor, take away food stamps, take away housing credits, take away free cell phones". And the list keeps going on and on. And what's worse is that they've already taken money away from the Social Security fund and any other place that has money sitting around. There are way more than $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities that our (25-55 yr olds) are going to have to pay on. And $50 T is a low estimate. It's probably more like $100 to 200 T with all the health care issues that will be happening as our life expectancy gets longer. We need to live within our means and STOP saying the rich need to pay their fair share. How about EVERYONE pays 10% of their income? THAT'S FAIR!!!!! As for Romney and Ryan, why do liberals (oops, there I go again) want to spend other rich peoples money and then try to use every tax loophole when it comes to their own money??? Sad state of affairs when 51% of the people getting the free stuff get to tell us hard working people how they will spend our money. What happened to hard work in the USA?
6:04 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Well Michael - I'm a liberal and proud of it. The debt you're whining about you conservatives made with the war you lied us into. BTW, the last comment before yours was in August. How typical for Republicans - lost in a time warp. When you get rich, come let us know.
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