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GPWoods Truth: $78,574 Water budget "mistake"

Guess who'll pay for the bad estimate? Woods residents will!

Grosse Pointe Woods' taxpayers, already saddled with huge bills for water, sewerage and "capital improvement" plus an outrageous "meter charge" and an unnecessary "billing" expense, will have to dig even deeper to cover yet another budgeting error by the city's inept non-resident administration.

During a sparsely-attended July 2 Committee of the Whole (COW) meeting at the Woods' city hall, City Manager Al Fincham and City Treasurer/Comptroller Dee Ann Irby admitted that the Woods' water budget estimate they'd earlier presented to council during a public hearing on the 2012-13 budget was "too conservative" and has to be corrected.

"Too conservative?" They missed their budget estimate by $78,574!

So Woods' taxpayers, the highest-taxed residents in all five Grosse Pointes, next Monday (July 16) will be told by their elected mayor and council that they have to cover their error with an additional rate increase - and that it'll be retroactive to the July 1 water bills that we already have.

These are the same city officials, mind you, who expect you to vote to override the legally-mandated Headlee tax ceiling on Nov. 6 and give them millions more each year to spend on whatever they choose to waste it on. I'm voting NO.

While you're waiting for the November election, however, check your water bills. I live in a two-person household in the Woods. According to my April-May bill, I used 30,000 cubic feet of water at $61.20 and the same amount of sewerage at $48. I paid $21 for "capital improvement" and $61.18 for a "1 inch meter," which may or may not be reliable.

I mean, $61 bucks every two months for a meter that keeps track - for them? I pay 25 cents to park on Mack avenue. They gonna start charging us for the meters, too?

Then, of course, there's the ubiquitous $2 water department "billing expense."

The city's non-resident Water Clerk, a fulltime employee with health care, retirement and all the other perks including something like 13 paid days off besides a generous vacation allowance, sits in her office and every two months punches a few keys on a computer that prints and sends out our water bills.

There are 5,000 homes in Grosse Pointe Woods. Each one has to pay $2 for each of 6 billings a year. What's $12 times 5,000? I'll save you the trouble. It's $60,000 a year that's rolled into our water bills as just another "fee."

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christopher July 12, 2012 at 07:07 pm
what has he really uncovered? that the housing market tanked ? we face the same problems that every city in this state is going through. Please tell us where the corruption is? The so called "Mayor for Life " is not appointed, he is elected by the people.The voters are happy and prove it every election. Mr. Waldmeir never has a nice thing to say about Grosse Pte Woods. By the way i bet if you had access to all the council meetings you will discover that Mr. Waldmeir voted the same as the mayor over 90% of the time......
Pete Waldmeir, GP Woods July 12, 2012 at 07:30 pm
Hey brave "Christopher", your Mom forget to give you your Ritalin again? You and anonymous "Mark" ought to get together. Or are you the same person already? Insults? You sweet talker, you. At least I sign my name to my opinions. And even if you want to hide like a wuss, check your facts. I wasn't on the council when Fincham was hired. And I never voted for any pay raises for Irby or Hathaway or anyone else. Unlike you, I happen to have been chair of the three-person Compensation and Evaluation committees that turned down everybody because they were making too much already. That's why they're feeding gullible people like you all that wrong info to discredit the "No New Taxes!" campaign in the Woods.
no friend of pete July 12, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Hey go back and look when when he was called "Nazi Pete" by his now friends..in 2008 and when he ran for State House seat and got his pen handed to him by the voters in the Pointes, he is nothing more than an old newsboy running out of money. I will vote for EVERY tax increase just to know than if it passes the "Jerk for Life Pete Waldmeir" will have to pay it...name withheld cause i can.....and it kills you
christopher July 12, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Very hurtful words from a man with such high morals as yourself, lol... you have betrayed every single person who has ever been a part of your life, your family,your brothers at the picket line when you were the first to cross and people you once called friends. I'm happy to see you re-kindled a friendship with your lady friend who once started a blog that referred you as a "drunk" "grape Neck" and a "Geezer". You have a real high moral compass. You might want to keep score of all the people you have back stabbed in your life because you really look like a fool every time you degrade them and the next week trying to be their friend because they agree with you. Sorry Pete but your bully, name calling just does not have the clout it once did, it actually turns everyones stomach in this community to see what a phony, disloyal person you really are. Run for Mayor and let the citizens show you how they feel.
JA Osborn July 12, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Nice to see some residents can see the forest for the trees! I invite other residents to read the minutes from City Council meetings to to able to sort thru some of these comments. they are available on the GPW website.
JA Osborn July 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Who was on City Council when this employee was hired? and when travel was approved? I don't have dates, so I can't look it up.
Love the Pointe's July 13, 2012 at 10:53 am
It is shame that we cannot have a civil discourse. However, I am disappointed with those who always are either looking for conspiracies or throwing out the word "corruption" without providing responsible facts to sustantiate thier attacks. The fact that Mr. Fincham does not live in the GP Woods, is irrelevant. Anyone that he has worked with or worked for speaks highly of his concern for the community and his dedication. I am also smart enough to understand that if my home budget had been slashed the way the city's revenues have, I would either have to make drastic changes in my lifestyle or increase revenues. Well, personally I do not want the city to cut services any further and therefore I will be voting for the millage increase.
Chris K July 13, 2012 at 11:38 am
Discourse would be a lot more civil and informed with facts. I have attended a few city council meetings in recent months and I am shocked at how few residents actually attend meetings as well as how little "discourse" actually occurs among city council. Not one single question was asked by a council person before the budget was approved. How could that be? Did they review it? Before we give the city more money out of our pockets we ought to perform some due diligence of our own and determine if it is needed. Judging by how few people attended the budget hearing and the fact that the complete budget was never posted by Woods officials on line for people to make such determinations I don't see how anyone can effectively do that. Pete Waldmeir may be putting a little too much bite in his bark but he is giving us some hard facts and figures in this blog post about an underestimate in the water budget. I wish when he mentioned that he is paying $61.20 for a 1" meter (which is a legitimate expense) he had pointed out that the price for the 1" meter has doubled from 2010 and each and every person can see that by looking at their bills. That money stays with GPW, not the CIty of Detroit water department which people like to believe is the source of all our water rate increases. Stop shooting the messenger here and start getting armed with the facts. You might start aiming your venom in another direction.
Pete Waldmeir, GP Woods July 13, 2012 at 05:28 pm
Why don't you just sign "Wimp" and get it over with?
wimpy July 13, 2012 at 08:41 pm
Hey retired award-winning columnist I am sure you never used an unnamed source..why are you so upset by someone not giving you a name...so you can fire back at em.......you are so smart you should know all the people who don't care for you and what you say, as an award-winning columnist you must have had alot of people write and object to what you wrote...... they/we/wimp are closer than you know..go ahead run for mayor or just a bus they are all there to keep telling people what a Jerk for life Pete Waldmeir is and the history of Pete is just starting
Bob Frapples July 14, 2012 at 01:40 pm
I recently saw Mr. Waldmeir complain to a commenter who chose to list their name that they must not be a resident because he looked up their name in the phone book which made me wonder a couple things:
1) had he found a listing what was he going to do? Call? Go to the house? 2) they still make "phone books"? Haha,
MRSPirateLarz July 14, 2012 at 02:01 pm
While I too am tired of Mr Waldmeir's bullying on the Patch, I must say most of you just bullied right back. It's a shame to see everyone being brought down to his level. However, the points that the rest of you have brought up are good. What and how did Mr. Waldmeir vote while he was on the council? If he and his two buddies ditched the council to complain about it, then really what good did they do? Would not have it been better to stay and attempt to correct the issues? I am so sick of reading the Patch and knowing that somewhere Mr. Waldmeir is going to be commenting, being a bully and not back himself up with FACTS. And here I thought he was a journalist. HA! Ah well, I'm glad he has the freedom to speak his mind, even if I wish he could do so with some amount of decorum.
Mark July 14, 2012 at 03:47 pm
I'm inclined to agree with you Pirate. Mr. Waldmeir takes a shot at me here in his comments above despite the fact he was arguing and exchanging insults with someone else. I'm not your enemy Pete and I don't have any agenda against you. I argued against points you made about the DIA, the author of the article on the DIA and the Crain family and your general insults to all of them. Pete you won't find me on any of your blogs insulting you or questioning your motives or making assertions about your past. In fact you will find me defending your position on the Headlee Override. So why not follow PirateLarz's advice and lay out the facts and quit attacking everyone else on here with your crusty comments. Maybe the others wouldn't start making personal attacks on you if you toned it down.
Lisa Pinkos Howle July 16, 2012 at 03:28 am
Howle here. I advocated for spending cuts for 8 years. Remember?
Lisa Pinkos Howle July 16, 2012 at 03:38 am
"[h]e and his two buddies ditched council" Really? You have no idea what you are talking about. Please stop. I can provide you with some hard facts. Do you really want to hear them?
Frank Walshingham July 16, 2012 at 01:40 pm
Yes, Lisa. The public wants to know all the facts before going to the polls!
Lisa Pinkos Howle July 16, 2012 at 04:01 pm
www.grossepointewoodstruth.com Watch the video for proposed cuts that were summarily dismissed and ignored (year after year I might add). Thank you for watching and being informed.
Pete Waldmeir, GP Woods July 16, 2012 at 07:17 pm
Mark: I sign my name to everything. Been doing it for years and years. Sign yours and I'll pay attention to what you have to say. I have no time to worry about cowardly people who hide behind anonymity like "Pirate" all that simplistic nonsense.
MRSPirateLarz July 16, 2012 at 07:44 pm
I love when you ask for some one to back up their complaints with facts and their only response is to attack. So proves that they have nothing but BS on their side. Although I do believe that these "Truth" people have some valid points, their side is being pushed so hard and using bully tactics that it is hard to take them seriously. And yes Ms. (Mrs?) Howle, I did say "ditched" council because I personally feel that if you and Mr. Waldmeir are so up in arms about how the council is acting that you should have stuck it out on the council and fought for your fellow residents that you are so concerned about. I do not think coming off of council is cowardly, nor would have been staying on... but using these bully tactics that Mr. Waldmeir has been doing IS cowardly. Someone being smart enough not to give out personal information in this day and age is not cowardly. And I am sorry that you disagree with a person protecting him/her self Mr. Waldmeir. I applaud your courage at using your real name, and you as well Ms. Howle. But I do not like to take chances with my personal information so I will not use a real name on the internet! You should really stop badgering people about using their real names... not only is it rude and disrespectful but it is pressuring them to do something that is not the best course of action to take. The truth website is interesting, but I need to dig further to make an educated decision.
Mark July 16, 2012 at 08:52 pm
Peace and safety
Bob Frapples July 16, 2012 at 09:13 pm
I agree with pretty much everything you said here, especially about public safety as it applies to the Internet. Not only doe Pete Waldmeir proudly list his name but he's even given the street he lives on (not that it would be hard to find most people just by name alone). He (Mr. Waldmeir) has even admitted to looking up someone who listed their name...for what purpose? Being cautious about our identities doesn't make us "wimps" and for the record this is not my real name, if you read it out loud you should realize that you are simply saying "bob-for-apples".
Mark July 16, 2012 at 09:25 pm
He just uses it as an excuse to not engage in debate. 95% of the people on here use one name or an initial or some phrase. Am I really to believe that if I signed my name here that he would reform and no longer throw out baseless insults and crotchety remarks? PUH-leeeeze.
Chris K July 16, 2012 at 09:49 pm
MRS
"The truth website is interesting, but I need to dig further to make an educated decision." I am all for educated decision making. Do you care to share which sources you will consult to educate yourself on these issues?
Julie July 17, 2012 at 05:03 am
Mr. Waldmeir may come across as somewhat abrasive, but the points that he makes are very much valid from a taxpayers point of view. Everyone knows that Pete has a scrappy style, due in large part to Pete working and hustling his butt off to make it as a poor kid out on the streets and in the School of Hard Knocks. Nothin' wrong with that. From looking over many of the comments I see so many telltale signs of liberal ideology. That is, if you have a different opinion you will be destroyed in no-holds-barred venomous attacks unrelated to the facts that you are presenting.The critics of Mr. Waldmeir and others aren't really disputing the facts, they are making, in many cases, slanderous personal attacks on former council members who had little opportunity to hold the line on spending because they were simply outvoted.When you start seeing telltale signs of liberal strategy, such as the use and overuse, of the word "bully" and "conspiracy" while vilifying those who are standing for fiscal restraint and fiscal responsibility you can tell you're being had.
"Oh that so-and-so, he's such a bully" Also, childish remarks such as "your family, your mailman, your Kindergarten teacher hated you and when you were born the doctor slapped your father" Many GPW residents started to wake up and take notice with regards to the rubber stamping of the GPW city council with the approval of the infamous $10,000.000 Volunteer Christmas Party that only benefited a few. Yeah, taxpayers are fed up!
christopher July 18, 2012 at 01:22 am
The problem is the no-holds-barred attacks by Mr. Waldmeir, when you question him or dispute a fact he goes on the assault and spits his venom. I am not sure what you are reading but if you refer back to any comments Mr. Waldmeir has replied to, he is the aggressive one, he is the one disrespecting a doctor, a young councilman, a mother teaching her children to make the best of a bad situation. Pretty much all the slanderous personal attacks and childish remarks have come from him.
Mark July 18, 2012 at 02:29 am
Going to have to agree with Christopher here. If you disagree with Pete he can be quite insulting.
Bob Frapples July 18, 2012 at 05:19 pm
Also going to agree with Christopher and Mark. I have taken a jab or 2 at Pete Waldmeir only after having been on the receiving end and after having been told that my "opinions" were wrong. Sorry to come off as childish...but HE started it!!
Diane Smith July 18, 2012 at 06:10 pm
Pete's Report Card:
Tests. A Quizzes. A- Homework A Conduct D+ Projects A- Attendance A Extra credt N/A Special Recognition: Student most likely to give Novitke a lawn job.
Chris K July 18, 2012 at 08:13 pm
Very amusing but given Pete's Conduct mark of D+, I think he should spend some time in detention before he gets to work again on Novitke's lawn and for extra credit he should start to assemble some information on the Novitke millage proposals that voters can evaluate.
paul August 17, 2012 at 06:30 pm
Seems to me that Pete has good intentions.He did not bail either.More like he saw what others have for years and wanted no part of it.He see's a better bigger picture and talks about it.I find him refreshing and gutsy in the city of BUBBA rules.
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